From The Hill (emphasis added):
Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney said Monday that President Trump could soon review potential reforms to Social Security and Medicare — but he stressed that the reforms under consideration wouldn’t touch payments for current beneficiaries.
Mulvaney said he plans to prepare several entitlement reform proposals for Trump after finishing the White House’s first budget outline proposal this week. Mulvaney previously said the top-line budget proposal wouldn’t address entitlements. ...
“I’ve already started to socialize the discussion around here in the West Wing about how important the mandatory spending is to the drivers of our debt,” Mulvaney told radio host Hugh Hewitt in a Monday interview. “People are starting to grab it.”
“There are ways that we can not only allow the president to keep his promise, but to help him keep his promise by fixing some of these mandatory programs.” ...
I've heard the "we'll be able to get away with cutting Social Security as long as we don't touch benefits for current recipients" strategy many times before. Anybody remember that working for Republicans? I've also heard the "disability is the soft underbelly of Social Security" strategy before but the belly has always proven a lot tougher than Republicans expected. So, please proceed GOP. There's always an election coming.Mulvaney said Trump wasn’t likely to propose raising the age at which someone could retire and receive full entitlement benefits. Instead, he floated changes to Social Security disability payments, which Mulvaney called “one of the fastest growing and probably one of the most abused mandatory programs in the country.” ...
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Here it comes...been bracing for it since the election. What will these proposed changes be?
Easy. Remove the SS income tax cap. FIXED!
Why have disability when your crony buddies can lock them up in private prisons for a profit. These are the descendants of the folks who sicked the dogs on Martin Luther King. These people make Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater look like enlightened moderates. They want to take it all down.
Remove the income tax cap, yeah right. Despite the fact that this will be a minimal burden on people making over $125k, GOP orthodoxy says doing that will ruin the economy. Anyone on SS who voted for these clowns is a chump.
You can cut filings for SSDI by stopping Long Term Disability insurance companies from recovering SSDI back pay. Reduction is also possible by ending direct payment to representatives. The mills just cant exist if they have to go directly to the Claimant to get paid. The smaller offices would suffer some as well, but have a better chance of getting something back vs. the huge operations. No benefits cut, but a lot of applications that don't get filed.
I agree somewhat with 11:02. One often overlooked cause of increasing administrative costs and delays are long term disability carriers forcing individuals to apply for disability (often times when the claimant has no interest in doing so). Preventing much of these cases would save the Administration money and increase its efficiency. The bread and butter of most of the largest "mills" in the country are from cases from long term disability carriers.
However, I disagree with the notion that direct payment of attorneys fees really causes any undue hardship on the Administration. The Administration withholds administrative costs out of the payments.
By ending the direct pay program you would only make it massively difficult for Claimants to obtain proper representation and it would likely in effect discourage individuals from applying for benefits they are entitled to and need.
11:22 Your final paragraph is exactly what I was getting at. The opposition believes that the system if full of frauds. The way to stop those frauds from occurring is to stop them from applying in the first place. As dim as this administration may be, someone will realize that this is a "backdoor" denial system that can be laid at the feet of representatives. They can quote the SSA payout fee numbers, and Joe SixPack will agree that those dirty lawyers are fleecing the system and getting lazy people free money. It spins well with the majority of 45 supporters, even those on benefits. Because we all know everyone is a fraud on SSDI, except for me and my family.
Beware the Eye of Sauron
11:31, 9:45, and 9:29 are all right on.
Those unfamiliar with the system really believe representatives are getting rich getting disability for deadbeats who just don't want to work. The mills are already suffering and cutting back or becoming more mill like. The disability program is already difficult to navigate, and it's difficult to get disability even if you really are disabled.
As for the "administrative burden" of maintaining direct payment of fees to representatives, Charles and many of us have long advocated that SSA simply issue a past-due benefits check bearing both the names of the claimant and the representative. Personal injury insurance companies have done that for years. Any unethical rep who abuses the system can be barred from practice, just as state bars are very strict about enforcing client trust accounts--that's the easiest way for unethical practitioners to lose their licenses.
Let's address the actual issues instead of mythological problems.
Do we not already have one of the most stingy and difficult disability benefit systems in the Western world. This is all a bunch of hyped up right wing Joe McCarthy bullshit. Why don't we fight like hell employing the truth. Any society is going to have a percentage of the population who are disabled. A decent, civilized society treats them with decency. A monstrous society kills them off in one way or another. Almost every American citizen has a friend or relative that depends on this program. I have even represented the disabled offspring and grandchildren of some very wealthy families that finally want to stop supporting them and seek to get them into the system. Destroying this program will be a tribute to the short sighted greed and stupidity of the extreme right in this country. It will only pour fuel on the fire of the anger and dysfunction we are currently seeing in our society.
SSD is probably one of the most abused programs in the country. Abused by Congress for under-funding agency operations. Abused by Congressional oversight committees with an agenda cutting benefits, and now abused by Mr. Mulvaney with more misrepresentations. Something needs to be done about it alright, but we won't have a chance to do that until the next elections.
What organizations are lobbying against these reforms? Are thereally any problems firms educating the public on theses issues?
7:48 PM, you had the first 2 years of Obama to fix anything you wanted, Dem house and Dem Senate... But no, you let him piddle around with shovel ready jobs, overhauling the auto industry, and the failure known as Obamacare. Why weren't your people fixing some of these problems when they had the chance? Maybe they weren't important enough for you to care back then?
Well, I know what I am doing in 2018 and 2020. I've seen enough already.
Yeah it's the mooslem president's fault for not fixing this problem. These people neeed to go to work. They can buy I phones and ripple. Lock them up!
Yep, let's just pay the "truly disabled," whoever they are. Someone should tell Mr. Mulvaney that the right wing papers touting unsustainable growth are out of date. Currently the DI numbers are fairly stable
You Know I only come to this webpage to see what is going on with ssdi because i recieve it and have a vested intrest in it,it's my lifeline because i cant work. But to see that people that have no reason other than to hate people on ssdi in this forum says it all. This is how much republicans hate people on ssdi as if they is no possible way that they themselves can become disabled. It can happen in one second next thing you know you had a stroke, Thats why its here to help all of us even you republicans who vote against thier own vested intrests as if it will help them in life. grow up this is deadly serious stuff go to church and thank god you can work insted of collecting 1000 per month to live on. And yes if i could i would take your job and give you my disability payments in a heartbeat. Also you know why its called ssdi social security disability INSURANCE ITS BECAUSE I PAYED INTO IT FOR 35 YEARS.
I know this because I seen many truly disabled vets including I not get Ssdii it ussualy takes about three denials and then u have to go before a judge to even get disability even if you have no legs and this is were all the cost of administrative es come from. Even arm vets that get massive brain injuries and lose both legs still get denied 3 times and then have to go before a judge and all of these denials cost money from doctors and administrators reading your cases even if they manadotory deny all claims the first three tries. No one gets it on the first or even second try
Disabled people can't live on even the max disability payment so what are u saying is motivating them? You don't make sence
Why do these congress men keep saying this is a entitlement and not an agreement or an issuance policy that we bought threw the federal government that a small amount of money would be taken out of your pay check every week to cover if u become disabled of if u don't the federal government promised they would give u a small monthly stolen and some health insurance to you when you retire. But the congress has stolen all the money in these accounts and replaced them with IOU's , this program was written in such a way that it could have been tweaked every quarter of a century to have been solvent but if Congess steals all the money now Congess want to blame either the disabled people or the retrievers that the deal was made to! This problem was caused by congress not by the people in the program! Congress stole all the cash! Now let's go back and read all these IOU's and we will see all the people still in congress today are the people who stole this cash! As far as I remeber an IOU's. Are supposed to be written and dates and people who took the cash should be there so I think we who are in the program should not be blamed for its default we should be demanded it be payed back or all these thieves be either kicked out of congress or pay back the money. Because when u make a deal to pay a debt and u default it's not the banks fault it's the person who took the loan and we are the people that got ripped off and we want our money back or at the very least to see who robbed us!
Stipen not the word stolen
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